This reads like a Joke

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/religion/3464073/Educated-Catholics-have-sown-dissent-and-confusion-in-the-Church-claims-bishop.html

While not naming names, he suggested that such people had been compromised by their education, which he said had a "dark side, due to original sin".

So True....

The Christian Right killed the Republican party.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jane-devin/the-christian-right-kille_b_137946.html

The Founding Fathers were not "Good Christians"

Every once in a while, or rather, every day, some crazy babbling Christian will come around and tell you something like:
"LOLZ AMERICAN IS CHRIZTIANSZ! GOEGRGE WASHINGTONS WAS CVHRISTANSZ!!! LOZL"

Generally, however, they will say it even louder, with more misspellings, and even more idiocracy jammed into a few sentences.

This is, of course, not true.

While a few Founding fathers were Christians(and a few were clearly not), they showed criticism of Christianity, especially the church and the fundamentalists.

They all clearly supported the Separation of Church and State.

Here are some quotes, originally posted as a Youtube bulletin.


Ben Franklin:

"I cannot conceive otherwise than that He, the Infinite Father, expects or requires no worship or praise from us, but that He is even infinitely above it."
[Benjamin Franklin from "Articles of Belief and Acts of Religion", Nov. 20, 1728]

"Lighthouses are more helpful than churches."

"I have found Christian dogma unintelligible. Early in life I absented myself from Christian assemblies."
[Benjamin Franklin, in _Toward The Mystery_]

"The way to see by Faith is to shut the eye of Reason."
[Benjamin Franklin, Poor Richard, 1758]

"Revealed religion has no weight with me."
[Benjamin Franklin]

"in short, I soon became a thorough deist"

[Benjamin Franklin, "Autobiography,"p.66 as published in *The American Tradition in Literature,* seventh edition (short), McGraw-Hill,p.180]

George Washington:
There is nothing which can better deserve our patronage than the promotion of science and literature. Knowledge is in every country the surest basis of public happiness. [George Washington, address to Congress, 8 January, 1790]

...I beg you be persuaded that no one would be more zealous than myself to establish effectual barriers against the horrors of spiritual tyranny, and every species of religious persecution. [George Washington, May, 1789 from The Washington papers]

"I know that Gouverneur Morris, who claimed to be in his secrets, and believed himself to be so, has often told me that General Washington believed no more in that system [Christianity] than he did."
-- Thomas Jefferson, in his private journal, February, 1800, quoted from Jefferson's Works, Vol. iv., p. 572

"Sir, Washington was a Deist."
-- The Reverend Doctor James Abercrombie, rector of the church Washington had attended with his wife, quoted from John E Remsberg, Six Historic Americans

Thomas Jefferson:
Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity.
-Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782

Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because if there be one he must approve of the homage of reason more than that of blindfolded fear.
-Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Peter Carr, 1787

Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed by inserting "Jesus Christ," so that it would read "A departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;" the insertion was rejected by the great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mohammedan, the Hindoo and Infidel of every denomination.
-Thomas Jefferson, Autobiography

I concur with you strictly in your opinion of the comparative merits of atheism and demonism, and really see nothing but the latter in the being worshipped by many who think themselves Christians.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Richard Price, Jan. 8, 1789 (Richard Price had written to TJ on Oct. 26. about the harm done by religion and wrote "Would not Society be better without Such religions?")


Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between church and State.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Danbury Baptist Association, CT., Jan. 1, 1802

I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else where I was capable of thinking for myself. Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Francis Hopkinson, March 13, 1789

Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814

In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Horatio G. Spafford, March 17, 1814

It is between fifty and sixty years since I read it [the Apocalypse], and I then considered it merely the ravings of a maniac, no more worthy nor capable of explanation than the incoherences of our own nightly dreams.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to General Alexander Smyth, Jan. 17, 1825

John Adams:
John Adams signed the Treaty of Tripoli, which said:
""As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion""

The question before the human race is, whether the God of NATURE shall govern the world by his own laws, or whether priests and kings shall rule it by fictitious miracles?
-- John Adams, letter to Thomas Jefferson, June 20, 1815


As I understand the Christian religion, it was, and is, a revelation. But how has it happened that millions of fables, tales, legends, have been blended with both Jewish and Christian revelation that have made them the most bloody religion that ever existed?
-- John Adams, letter to FA Van der Kamp, December 27, 1816

Let the human mind loose. It must be loose. It will be loose. Superstition and dogmatism cannot confine it.
-- John Adams, letter to his son, John Quincy Adams, November 13, 1816, from James A Haught, ed, 2000 Years of Disbelief

God is an essence that we know nothing of. Until this awful blasphemy is got rid of, there never will be any liberal science in the world.
-- John Adams, "this awful blashpemy" that he refers to is the myth of the Incarnation of Christ, from Ira D Cardiff, What Great Men Think of Religion, quoted from James A Haught, ed, 2000 Years of Disbelief


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Republican Voter Fraud

While convincing the public that ACORN is committing fraud, Republicans are, as usual, committing actual voter fraud.
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=6534

How the Right plans to win the election

Obama may be ahead in the polls, and far ahead in the electoral vote.

But, the election season is not over yet. Far from it.

Here are the top 5 things the Right is betting on to win the election for them.

5. The Bradley Effect
See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradley_effect
Basically, the Bradley effect is the tendency for even decided voters to vote for a white candidate instead of a ethnic one.
Black candidates that have been ahead in the polls have lost elections, and many claim it is due to the Bradley Effect.

4. Denying new voters their registration

3. Playing up Obama's connection to Ayers.
There is no evidence that Obama was a friend, or barely knew Ayers, besides the fact that they both worked at the same school. Do not doubt the Right to continue to lie and slander about this, however.

2. Pretending ACORN is commiting voter fraud.
The Right and much of the media is convinced that ACORN is committing "Voter fraud", which, of course, it isn't.
They may use this against Obama and Democrats, acting as if the mythical voter fraud is "their fault".

1. Purging thousands, possibly millions of new and ACORN registrants the right to vote.
This is the worst. If the Right continues to say a lie loud enough and often enough, it may become true in the minds of the courts.
This could lie to a mass rejection of ACORN registered voters, and new voters in general.

The Right is prepared to cheat, lie, and steal their way through the next 3 weeks.
What can you do about it?
1. Fight the smears. Tell the truth about Ayers and ACORN to everyone you know.

2. Make sure you are safely registered, and everyone you know is, too.

Just a few more weeks until it's over people, hang in there!

The Conservative News of the day

Because this is a fair blog, I'd like to present both sides of the "Debate"!
Here we go, some news straight from Conservapedia!


Obama's Religious Ruse: 'I've Always Been a Christian' [4]
"The ruse that he is a Christian must be exposed for what it really is: Obama's cloak to conceal that he is a Marxist from a Muslim background, for which he holds widespread support in the Islamic world."

Ooooh Man, Marxist AND Muslim! Doesn't get any worse then that!
Oh man, and look at this evidence! He's able to recite a Muslim prayer(HEATHEN! Knowledge of any religion besides Christianity is EVIL), and oh man... He was from a Muslim family, with, *shudder*, AN AGNOSTIC mom, who isn't a real Christian, because she only "believes in Christ", she doesn't go to church, or kill abortion doctors!
Wait, even though he's gone to church for the past 10-15 years, it was in a liberal Christian church!
Oh man, why does he hate America?

The news of the day gets even more horrific!
Textbook bias: "A Wisconsin mother is furious that her tax dollars helped buy a middle-school textbook that includes a passage from Barack Obama's speech at the 2004 Democratic National Convention, but has no mention of John McCain." [5]
OH MY GOD! Textbooks are now recognizing that Obama's speeches have influence and are elegant(not to mention written by himself), and McCain reading note cards written by a staff member is not!

But look, even more awful news!
The voter fraud commited by ACORN on behalf of Obama continues, including the attempted registration in Tampa, Florida of a very famous mouse: [6]
OH MY GOD! ACORN once again had an employer who committed voter fraud, and once again ACORN stopped them with a simple and elegant process that makes sure nobody games the ACORN system!

Wait. The worst news of all:
"Obama didn't write 'Dreams' – Ayers did." The growing evidence is [11].
The stunning and empirical evidence for this claim is as follows:
1. A completely different piece of writing on Organization(an essay) written by Obama several years before hand doesn't look quite the same as the writing style of 'Dreams'.

2. Even though Dreams went through a Publisher and an elaborate editing process, which the previous article did not, they should still look the same.

3. So, this means Obama did not write 'Dreams Of My Fathers'. Who did? It therefore MUST be that guy who worked at the same school as Obama but whom he rarely saw or talked with!

OH. MY. GOD.